Never give up!!! If you give up, then the hackers and rippers and the other crackheads will win, rip your themes and do whatever with it. Humans never give up, they rebuild.

Originally Posted by h3llbound

Ok don't close the site, that would be verry very bad.

I think expanding the Xtrato range to cover a lot more CMS is a good idea, I can help with free/commercial Invision and Joomla templates/coding if you are interested.

How about a new subdomain dedicated to listing all the ripper sites out there, something like a wall of shame.. could be a good way of handling those losers and one way you can help encourage people to avoid doing business with the thieves and scumbags, by pointing out loudly who is doing the wrong thing.

Instead of a topsites listing though, it should be called lowsites.

There are still people who would rather do the right thing and support you guys. Hang in there

Could be a good idea but it would also be like a database of where people can get commercial themes for free.

If you quit, you quit forever.

"Pain is temporary. It may last a minute, or an hour, or a day, or a year, but eventually it will subside and something else will take its place. If I quit, however, it lasts forever."
Lance Armstrong

Originally Posted by Recon Raccoon

Could be a good idea but it would also be like a database of where people can get commercial themes for free.

True, although dishonest people will find them regardless. I was thinking it might help guide the honest people away from making the mistake of supporting the lameass rippers.

There's no easy way around it, except to make the supporting features of buying themes directly from Xtrato over a ripper site more appealling.

The warez scene will never die, those types of people will always look for a way around paying for anything online or offline. Time to forget about them and concentrate on the decent people who will do the right thing.

A shift or expansion to include more corporate type themes maybe one way to attract a better customer base ?

Originally Posted by Alx

Trash php-nuke. It's old and outdated by now. I think it's right, as mrsx

says, to start with a new cms. Maybe vB, Seditio, Invision or some of the new script's

out there. There's alot to choose from, i can tell.

Regarding security, it usually causes more problems than it helps. Somone will still

find a way to "crack" it anyway. Just give it up...

The big web design sites out there figured this out, and most of them don't do much

about security. They just put a copyright on it and a link to their site. The things will

be on warez sites, of course, but it will still work as advertisement. And for those who

want to get a "real copy" of it, will come here and buy it.

Take extremepixels.com as an example. Their stuff is allover every warez site out

there, but still, he sells alot, because the site is well known. And i think, thats alot

because of the warez sites.

These are my thoughts, and i know alot people don't think the same.

From my experience, there will always be someone who crack it, no matter how

much security you got.

Originally Posted by Mrs.X

Thanks everyone for the support we gladly appreciate it ..it has been

tough and pretty tiring but listening to all you guys really makes it worth lots.

Its not that Xtrato will stop designing...but i think he is going to start trying new

cms's, since all those losers tend to hide under the GPL.

We have combined forces with another community and hope that we can both help

each other

Thanks everyone for the support!

you all are great

Most of you don't really know me, but as I told Xtrato a few minutes ago, why wait to

April to open the doors (We will have an official opening in April), lets get these

people involved in the new site. I quoted Mrs. X and Alx because, Mrs. X already

knows and now the rest of you will that NOT only is Xtrato not closing but expanding

his development plans to include a relatively new CMS and Forum system. As Alx

states ppl are gonna rip regardless what we have to do is make more of a hassle to

rip themes and reduce their profit margin. What we've done and are working on doing

is creating themes for TinyPortal and SMF and expanding an already existing

network and setting up the standard for TP themes. These Themes, the ones your so

use to here at Xtrato Designs plus new ones he's about release will be Designed for

Tiny Portal and SMF at substantially lower costs to promote both more

use/purchase of these themes and well as the development of TinyPortal.

As Xtrato and I discussed, does it make more sense to sell a theme for $200 to 5

people or 25 themes at between $50-$100 dollars. More people means more

exposure for both theme and cms, and better chances of positive reinforcement.

Basically the current shop will still be here offering what is already in it but you will

begin to see more themes developed specifically for TinyPortal where Nuke

conversions or customization will be as a per customer issue and considered a

custom design thing. But also there will be an additional shop tied directly to the new

site as part of the cms that will offer full demo of both free and commercial themes.

We are currently still laying out the site and customizing things but I talked him into

letting everyone in now to be able to share your ideas and learn about the new

system. Staff will be able to add both free and commercial themes to the shop but

the commercial themes will have to be okay'd at the admin level (This is mainly to

keep the commercial standards high). Other designers are welcome to offer free

themes and if the staff considers the work exceptable added to the download section.

Staff with commercial themes in the tp shop will get full credit and payment for each

theme sold less a small commission for support of site server(I'm still setting up the

code for this plus a pm to author on each sale). We are excepting staff applications

at this time for the following:


Coders and Designers for the following: PHP-Nuke, Zentri-Enhanced , PHPBB,

VBulletin, & Seditio CMS coders if possible. Please present a portfolio if possible as

well as Staff Experience References if possible. Thankyou in Advance for your

support. Age minimum 16 years of age, maturity required ;).

New Site Link: http://www.tinyportals.com
Application Board: http://www.tinyportals.com/main/index.php?board=31.0
Suggestions and Feedback: http://www.tinyportals.com/main/index.php?board=30.0

The following list of links is to familiarize your self with Tiny Portal and SMF.

First of all the forum system: Simple Machine Forums
http://www.simplemachines.org/about/copyright.php

And the CMS is actually a mod for Simple Machines that acts like a CMS
TinyPortal
http://www.tinyportal.net/index.php

We look forward to seeing you there.
Coridally StormLrd

As StormLD Said it, we are now Expanding Our Network Far beyond php-nuke , we are always looking for new ways to enhance Xtrato Designs Network, and we found TinyPortals, at its baby Steps would sure need a boost with the great quality designers from PHp-Nuke.

TinyPortal, Will be Our next step towards expanding Our network, We will be providing custom jobs , new Released Designs Specially Designed for TinyPortal, thanks to StormLD for his big contribution to this project, we will be opening our doors very soon.

As stated on his post, we are currently Looking for good staff members, as well As Designers. new doors have been open. Take Advantage of this new opportunity!.

Best Regards To all!.

wow can't wait its going to be huge! you know im going to be there ;);)

But yeah guys this is not near the end. Im still designing and i will share my work and open all doors for all of you guys

Im still here (although it seems like i am not but i am here and stronger than ever)

so many plans for x.com and i promise you guys our community will boost up once again.

I have put in so much in this community and there is still so much i want and have to do

So long live Xtrato Designs!

Thanks everyone that has been with us...you guys rock;)